Each of the entries in the site provides a list of the positions in the various source charts. This page describes the charts that have been used for songs. So for example an entry of "US BB 1 - Oct 1965, US CashBox 68 of 1965, Germany 373 of the 1960s, Belgium 53 of all time, RYM 11 of 1965, RIAA 56, Scrobulate 39 of classic rock" would indicate that the song:
A complete set of the strings used (and which charts generated them) can be found at the end of this page.
The way that a total score for each song is derived from the individual chart entries is described on the site generation page. This result set was created 5 Apr 2019 11:20 GMT and is version 2.8.0025. The 138 source charts that contributed to the song positions were:
The chart above shows how the 322,634 items in the input charts is distributed over the years. The profiles of each of the 138 song charts is shown below.
The following list shows the templates used for each input chart so you can identify the exact source for each entry.
Previous Comments (newest first)
10 Feb 2019
Hi, Could you add the US ARC charts from 1960s and 1970s?
If you look at the source of the ARC charts you will see that their data actually starts from 5 Jan 1980. Prior to that they use the Billboard charts (which we already have)
9 Dec 2018
https://nztop40.co.nz/chart/?chart=3874 Official NZ Year End chart+
1 Nov 2018
Better check your "Party" chart archive again. The information was not true, for example, Mc Hammer has never recorded "Bust A Move" before, The Village People never had a song named "Funky Cold Medina"(actually released by Tone-Loc, I don't think they performed that song )+
6 Jul 2018
http://lp3.polskieradio.pl Guy this is true poland chart website, //www.polskieradio.pl/ is for news
5 Jul 2018
http://www.top-france.fr/html/annuel/1973.htm French year end chart since 1960. SNEP should not be here for the reason TMP charts are already here and SNEP is morely not official and so special
2 Jul 2018
http://www.musicvf.com/top_songs_of_the_1980s decade charts from 1900s to2000s should be added, chart is based on Genre and world charts which contains reasonable data that you don't have+
We don't use genre charts (is "I will always love you" by Dolly Parton a "Country" hit?, what about Whitney Houston's version?)
2 Jul 2018
http://www.musicvf.com/top_songs_of_the_1980s decade charts from 1900s to2000s should be added, chart is based on Genre and world charts which contains reasonable data that you don't have+
They don't link to their sources and they include genre charts (such as Hip-Hop, Dance Club and Country). Even with those questionable entries they have 120,000 songs and we have more than 145,000. So, no, that data isn't good enough to consider.
2 Jul 2018
http://artisteschartsventes.blogspot.com/p/top-500-70s_29.html and othercharts from this site are useful
22 Jun 2018
We already have input from that site
I know,but not 1900-1960
19 Jun 2018
https://www.rollingstone.com/lists Rolling Stone Single charts from 1960-2018,album charts from 1960-2018,all time charts from RS should be used
We don't see any singles chart from the 1960s. We have a lot of USA data already, such as the Rolling Stone 500. We don't see any of their other charts that cover periods or locations that we are missing.
19 Jun 2018
Sorry but Scrobulate is not trustable at all it is for some specific listeners,just the same as VHS and Pitchfork+
We agree, that is why the scrobulate chart gets very little impact on the scores. And we've not refreshed it for some time.
17 Jun 2018
America+ We think that data is already included+
Not actually,you guy have only used 1961-1981 Mexican records,that site offers1961-2016(Mexico) and 1961-1980(Argentina)
After 1981 the chart splits into "Mexican" songs and "Foreign" songs, there is no fair way to use that data.
8 Jun 2018
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/years.htm Year charts and decade charts from acclaimed music should be used here between 1900-1960.In case charts before 1960 are so hard to find+
We already have input from that site
8 Jun 2018
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CHUI372 On this site you can find number one records in Mexico and Argentina. That would be better if you will use "Hit Parade" (Other languages)number one records from Mexico charts.
We think that data is already included
8 Jun 2018
http://listadesuperventas.blogspot.com/2010/02/1980.html?m=0 I'm sure this chart is not easy to be combined,but it's the only Spanish chart that I can find on internet
That does look like a reasonable chart, we'll try and add it.
8 Jun 2018
Is http://www.ultratop.be/ an official website? What's the difference betweenradio 2 chart and it?
It doesn't look "official" to me, but we have enough data for Belgium anyway
8 Jun 2018
Chart Billboard 50th top songs and Billboard 55th top 100 should be removed,first chart is actually the same as year end charts.Number 1 in year charts has already gained enough points,although they are actually the top in that period. Songs under about #80 in 50th chart is now not on top 100 chart.That's the reason 50th top 100 is necessary here. So, the chart betweentwo years,55th chart is excessive here,it may have caused bad results.
20 May 2018
Charts from Dave's music,like UK all-time +best-selling chart,decade charts seems interesting, http://davesmusicdatabase.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-all-time-million-selling-singles-in.html?m=1And he updated some official charts personally,like http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/the-uks-biggest-selling-singles-of-all-time__21298/ is from 2017,he made a new chart in 2018.
17 May 2018
Some questions about Swiss charts+
You have already used Switzerland week charts,as you mentioned before,in year end charts,items that span across boundaries tend to be underrated. Tsort has already contained too many year-end charts in US (cause they are useful ), or in some cases you don't have week charts (Australia,Italy and so) swiss year-end charts here are somewhat superfluous. If year-end charts are valuable,why I didn't see UK year-end charts. What's more,here are some more valuable source charts: Holland all time chart https://www.top40.nl/bijzondere-lijsten/top-2500 Holland decade charts https://www.top40.nl/bijzondere-lijsten/decenniumlijst-90-s (top40. com also contains charts like global charts) Best selling songs in England http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/the-uks-biggest-selling-singles-of-all-time__21298/
We don't have UK year end charts because we have not just the weekly charts but many sources of data (in fact a little bit too many). The fact we have some weekly charts for Switzerland doesn't mean we have too much data (like we do for the UK for example).
As the FAQ's explain we use the music revenue in each country to determine if we have enough source data. And even given that we weigh each chart to balance out their contribution to the total score (so a number 1 in the UK doesn't count as much as a number 1 in the USA)
16 May 2018
Source chart-last fm
Source chart//www.last.fm/is totally different from before
That is not unusual. The Last.FM lists now seem to focus on what the A&R men want to sell us
9 May 2018
Do I always have to wait so long for your replies?
Given the fact that you have not yet *paid* for our services, yes
Try asking a better question
10 Jan 2018
The site +//www.popradiotop20.com/popradio.htm is no longer functional.
24 Jan 2016
Cashbox Album charts
Can you tell me where I might be able to find the top 100 weekly chart listings from Casbox magazine.
If you look on the "Song Chart" page you'll find the sources we know about
23 Oct 2015
Hope you're still reading these. Would love to know if there is any structured info, I'm working on a pet project where I'd like people to know what was a number one hit on their birthday for example.
Yes, we are still reading (and replying to) comments.
Our answer to your question is on the page http://tsort.info/music/faq_birthday_number1.htm, select the decade, the year and the month and you will be shown what was number one for the whole month (in various places)
26 Jul 2015
French Infodisc Charts
Even though you have said these charts are not totally reliable, it seems like they still give a pretty fair idea of the highest charting singles in France. If you are interested there is a way to get the (1500) highest charting singles on Infodisc. They are from 1955 - 2013. You do not have most of these listed yet (only a few based on Sales). Go to Infodisc.fr, then click on Les Chansons (songs), then click on Bilan par place (Balance Sheet By Place). This has (30) total pages. It gives the highest position of the single, the total weeks at Number 1, 2 or 3 and the total weeks in the Top 100. Perhaps you can incorporate this into your data? Thanks.
We already have enough data from infodisk.fr, the fact that so few songs that were hits in France are listed is because our list is worldwide and most hits in France were not hits elsewhere.
18 Jan 2015
songs' chart peak dates
i just recently stumbled upon this jaw-dropping treasure trove for music chart freaks like myself...i've yet to check up & down all the data here so i wonder if a song's chart peak date is also listed here, e.g. donna summer's hot 100 no. 6 "i feel love" with a chart peak date of november 12, 1977...+
The fully correct answer is that it depends on the input chart, but for most charts the answer is no, it only lists the entry time. The monthly "Number One" pages of course do have that for you.
Of course we do also list all the source data locations, so, for example, you could find that information for the Billboard charts by looking at the original spreadsheet
1 Jan 2015
Re: US BB Year-End charts
Thanks for responding!
"as far as we can see there is no longer any way to get the real data from Billboard, if you know of one we'd like to hear about it"
I just recently discovered that a lot of the Billboard magazines are archived and available for free in Google Books. Looking at the December 26, 1998 issue, the year end singles chart does match wikipedia and bobborst.com (at least based on a quick scan).
The Year End "Hot 100 Singles" chart starts about halfway through the magazine, on page YE-42: https://books.google.com/books?id=Mw0EAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Scanned pages are no good to us as sources of course (we need digital data), but that listing does suggest that whatever the listing Billboard used to have it was not the Hot 100.
We have relabeled the original chart (as "US invalid BB") to indicate it's unreliability and added the Billboard listing from the Wikipedia pages as "US BB".
Thanks for pointing this out
29 Dec 2014
US BB Year-End charts+
I started adding chart data to my collection with the US BB Year-End charts as found here: http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/
I've found it to be accurate when comparing to wikipedia, the billboard website, and other sources. +However, the data never seems to match your US BB Year listing. For instance, for 1998, the #1 year end song was "Too Close" by Next:
Your page for 1998 shows Too Close by Next as US BB 8 of 1998, and Jump Jive an Wail by the Brian Setzer Orchestra as US BB 1 of 1998 (it did not make Billboard's list at all): http://tsort.info/music/yr1998.htm
Our original source for the Billboard year end data (for example for 1998) was the actual Billboard site (with a query they have since removed), which we extracted before they removed it.
The chart on the Wikipedia page (and the bobborst.com data) for 1998 seems to come from http://top40-charts.com/, *NOT* from Billboard (as far as we can see there is no longer any way to get the real data from Billboard, if you know of one we'd like to hear about it)
Now whether Billboard changed their analysis after we extracted the data we don't know, but we report what Billboard said when we looked (in 2007 we think)
17 Nov 2014
#12 - Zwei Kleine Italiener was also #87 on the Europe Decade List of the 1960's that you use. (www.apcchart.com).
Our (older) version has "Hair" by Zen as the 87th entry for the 1960s. We'll have to update at some point
11 Nov 2014
Are the 1970s Record World pop chart surveys available on line or via hard copy books. Please send me some information. +Thank you for your time and consideration. Rocky
We have documented all we know about that chart on the "Song Charts" page, including a link to our original source (now no longer active). In this case the WayBack machine is your friend, try looking at (for example):
30 Sep 2014
I do not understand, how it's possible that a song by Dean Martin Everybodyloves somebody is not on the song's chart among 1000.
Surely that type of surprise is the joy of this type of analysis. "Everybody Loves Somebody" is only just outside the top 1,000 but it suffers from the fact that it didn't do quite so well in Europe (especially the UK) and was released in 1964 (where we have a lot of charts).
Of course it is listed on Dean Martin's page.
8 Sep 2014
Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Recordings
I notice you have the (500) songs that shaped rock and roll in your data. In2009 the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame added an additional (161) songs to this list. These recordings range from the 1920's and 1930's ( Leroy Carr,Carter Family,Billie Holiday, Bob Wills ); the 1940's and 1950's ( Nat king Cole. Lionel Hampton, Joe Liggins, Professor Longhair ) thru the 1990's and 2000's (Fatboy Slim, Fugees, Gnarls Barkley, OutKast ). I wonder if at some point you might consider adding these recordings to your data? I found the list on "rockhall.com/exhibits/one-hit-wonders".
We'd be happy to, but that page is no longer available
1 Dec 2013
part of a favorite song
uh uh There +goes the Neighboorhod
25 Nov 2013
I downloaded your spreadsheet. I noticed that you have as one of your songs/rows: "Sheena Easton", "Totally wired", "1980", "Peel list 2 of 1980". This must be The Fall's song? (I'd love if Sheena had covered it though!)
You are exactly right. That year The Fall's "Totally wired" was number 2 and "Morning Train" by Sheena Easton was number 3, the lines must have got muddled
Thanks for the correction
16 Jul 2013
Cash Box Chart Archives
FYI, the Archive of Cash Box Best-Selling Singles charts is now back online at http://184.108.40.206/archives.htm.
11 Oct 2012
tsort.info is amazing
tsort.info is amazing website, I'm glad I am member here
2 May 2012
Book of Billboard Music Charts (1900 - 2009)
Is there a book available that documents the Billboard music charts from 1900, on? Billboard itself only sells books charting music from 1955, on. +BUT they used to sell a hard bound volume documenting music from the turn of the last century, up to 1955. +I would very much like to purchase a book that references the first half of the 20th century in its music charts.
Thanks for any direction you can give me. +Jeff Weinstein
Do a search for Joel Whitburn's books
5 Feb 2012
This site is invaluable to me as I proceed with my pet-project, my personal Top 379 (top379.com). I haven't yet added a list of links to my site, but I'll be sure to include this one!
30 Dec 2011
new link for front page
You may wish to add www.45cat.com to your front page listing of useful resources.
Thanks for the suggestion, it looks like a good source of details about songs.
29 Oct 2011
Queston for Chart
Hello, sorry if my english is not perfect!
With Google I found this very interesting site.
I would be very happy if you could help me!
At our library we have Billboard magazines in mikrofiche-format and I researched the issues from 1913 to 1921. In this page I readed that there was no chart before 1920 and I can remember that a few years ago I have found a website with weekly U.S. Top 10-charts beginning in 1920, but now I couldn't find it again.
Can you tell me please where or from which sources I can find weekly Top 10-lists (it don't matter if Sales-chart or Sheet-music-chart) since 1920?
In Billboard I have not found it, because there was only a list of "Popular songs" but no chart.
Would be very thankful if you could help me, please!
Much of this information is covered by the "Song Charts" listing for Billboard, if you look that page has a link to the source data you want.
From the 1890s (when the Billboard magazine started) until the 1950s (when the weekly song chart was initiated) there are, as you have mentioned, a number of occasional "Popular Song" charts. However these were not a regular feature and had a variety of different forms.
A researcher called Joel Whitburn analysed these various charts and created a retrospective chart that covers 1890 to the start of the regular charts. This information has been published in a range of books and other source. It has been consolidated, corrected and published by a group of researchers that call themselves "Bullfrog". This is the data that we use (and you can find listed on the "Song Charts" page)
26 Sep 2011
Here are some suggestions for new chart data: 1.KEXP's Top 903 Albums - www.kexp.org/top2008 2.WFUV 90 Essential Songs - www.wfuv.org under Music: Bests and Essentials Lists 3.WFUV 90 Essential Albums - www.wfuv.org under Music: Bests and Essentials Lists
We feel that all three of those charts are somewhat questionable, being all time charts based on "listner votes". However our instinct is to include charts unless there is a good reason for not doing so.
We've added the charts, but made it so they don't contribute to the overall score (the positions are noted on the entries of course).
Thanks for the suggestion
25 Sep 2011
Billboard info for songs listed from 1901 - 1929
Hi, again, this is my fifth time sending message to this site...What a spectacular site. Love it!! First, the comprehensive info, then, the nitty-gritty details on every songs. Thirdly (and most importantly) the forever responsive reply. Irregardless its a meaningful questions, corrections or downright simple questions.
Some sites don't reply at all..its annoying.
Anyway, my questions is during the period from 1901 to 1929, has billboard exist yet? Do they have charts and radios doing the counting of the song rotation? I thought billboard only start in the late 50's, wasn't it? I'm a music aficionado, songs and info from the 30's is hard to find, and yet you have the effort to go beyond the 20's.. May i know where in other sites i can search for 20's music info (other than wiki)?
We're glad to see that you enjoy the site. Your comments encourage us to keep putting in the effort.
To answer your question:
Billboard magazine started publishing in 1894. They published their first music "hit parade" in 1936 and their first "Hot 100" in 1958. We understand that from 1936 to 1958 the charts were irregular and didn't have a consistent form. In addition the focus was on "sheet music" sales so while the chart will say, for example, that the song "Sentimental Journey" was a hit in 1945 it won't tell you if the version by the Merry Macs, Hal McIntyre or Les Brown & Doris Day was the most popular.
A US music historian called Joel Whitburn has used the information from the irregular charts, the Billboard magazine contents and other sources to retrospectively calculate the charts from 1890 to 1958. This is published as a spreadsheet by a guy calling himself "Bullfrog" (the source is listed in the chart entry).
That is the listing we base our information on.
10 Jun 2011
Sorry but Infodisc is not trustable at all.
Only top.france.free.fr is based on singles sales and under control of french IFPI.
Given the obvious mistakes in that source we would agree that Infodisc does not seem like a good source. However until we have too many sources for the French charts we feel that we have to keep it.
The site you mention does appear to have some valid charts, we have added it to the lists. Thanks for the suggestion.
15 Mar 2011
I really enjoy your site. +I could spend hours here, being a chart nut.
Being Canadian, I was a little disappointed that you ware using the Chum charts.
They were a consistent source; however, a little limiting.
They were only a Top 30 chart from Toronto. In 1979, they went to a rock edge and did not give a fair representation of hits in Canada. We did have a national hits magazine, RPM. It was out from 1964 - 2000. I suppose all previous years, are done now and archived.
Just thought I would pass this along.
Thanks for all your hard work.
Thanks for the encouragement. We would also prefer to use the RPM chart for Canada, unfortunately we don't have a source we can use. The national archives you linked to (which we have looked at before) have weekly charts as scanned images, which of course, can't easily be processed for example to extract chart runs.
If you know of anywhere where this data is available as text, a spreadsheet, or a database we'd be happy to add it.
21 Feb 2011
thanks for this nice post
28 Dec 2010
Charts in France
Except for Jeanny (part 1)(#25 in oct '86), Falco never charted in France! For your information, there was no official charts in France before november '84.
The charts we use are clearly listed on the song chart page. That explains where our data came from and why we use it. That text explains the issues with French chart data, every data source (including the SNEP one) has serious problems but that is not a good reason to ignore the scant information that is available. All of our entries clearly indicate where they came from.
Just because SNEP only started a chart in 1984 does not mean that there were no charts before then. The word "official" is meaningless in this context.
If you feel that the charts used are not "notable" then just ignore those entries.
If you have a source of French charts tell us where we can find it.
8 Nov 2010
US album charts from 1956
Dear all at Tsort,
I've been doing some research on song popularity in the US from the mid-1930s to the 1950s, and I've just come across your fantastic database.
I would like to ask you a question about your sources for the charts: why is 1956 the first year you include album charts in your database? As far as I know - althought I might be wrong - Billboard magazine in the US was already publishing a music popularity chart in 1940, which included data on record sales as well as sheet music sales.
Is the data from those charts not significant, or more difficult to integrate in your calculations, or is there any other reason why it's not considered?
Many thanks for your help and for a unique source of information on music!
Our usual limitation is the availability of charts.
Billboard started publishing album charts in 1945, however they didn't publish a regular weekly album chart until 24 Mar 1956.
We have used the "Bullfrog" data as our main source for the Billboard song charts, this combines the various sheet music sales charts and song charts to build a listing that goes back to 1896. Unfortunately we don't know of any similar data available for the Billboard album charts.
The sources we have, which are all described on the "Source Charts" pages, only start with the weekly chart in 1956.
We would not incorporate any chart that is obviously biased towards a particular artist, or which covers an era or region which is already catered for. However charts from before 1955 are so difficult to obtain that almost any additional data would be welcome.
If you have any charts from before 1956, or can point us at a source which we can access, we will be able to add them in.
Our reason for not including those charts is simply that we don't have them.
13 Oct 2010
what is the "peel list"?
It was a list compiled by the broadcaster John Peel of the best four songs from every year of the 20th century. There are details on the "Song Charts" page (the sixth item in the right menu).
This selection of music was also known as the "Peelennium", and Wikipedia's entry under that name has the complete list.
You can get a feel for how influential he was by looking up "List of Peel sessions" on Wikipedia
18 Jun 2010
When do you predict to add datas from UK & US tables?
We add data as it becomes available. The dificulty is that we don't want to add entries in that will change later, for example by spending more time in the charts. So we didn't add the entries for 2008 until the following year had completed (i.e. during Jan 2010).
For the Billboard data its a bit more complex than that. This data comes from the Bullfrog list, which is updated regularly on the news groups. For that chart we have to wait for each track to be assigned a key, that is a string of the form "1972_003", which indicates it was the third biggest song of 1972 ("American Pie" by Don McLean just in case you're interested). This is a unique identifier (sometimes called the "Whitburn Number") which tracks a particular song for its career. Of course you don't know which year a particular song will be assigned (for example "American Pie" was released in late 1971) let alone what ranking it will get. So Bullfrog and his associates assign temporary IDs for songs until they can calculate the real one. So until all the songs for 2009 have IDs assigned we won't add the Billboard charts.
In either case I would expect that we will be adding the main UK and US charts for 2009 some time in early 2011.
There are all sorts of reasons why we don't keep up to date with the current chart data. To be honest if our main focus was recent music we would have a different site structure and a better way to automatically extract data from the large number of sources that are currently available. But our main effort (and interest) has been directed at getting the best information we can for earlier eras and at consolidating the information from the few sources we have. That is why our site is not so good for data from the last few years.
17 May 2010
Definition for US BB Year
Hi- I love your site. Thanks for all your hard work.
I am conducting some research of my own and need to know what your definition of US BB; "Billboard Top Songs of the Year" means. What does it mean to be considered a "Top Song?" What is the criteria that makes a song a top song?
Thank you very much. Jim Hiller
You ask for a clarification on the chart whose position strings look like "US BB <position> of <year>". You have clearly already found the "Templates for entries" that lists all the patterns used to describe chart entries and from there found that the source chart with the rather unhelpful comment you mention.
The fact is that when we first started gathering chart data we were less concerned with documenting sources. A short chart description like this one is a sure fire indicator that this is an older chart whose source is uncertain.
This chart was originally from Steve, he thinks it was a annual summary listing on the "Billboard" website that is no longer available. The criteria used to determine "Top Song" was the one that Billboard selected, probably similar to the other annual charts they publish.
Given the fact that we have the "Bullfrog" charts which are a complete listing of the weekly Billboard positions since 1890 it would be justified to drop this older, less well qualified chart. However not only is this one of the longest running charts taking it away would reduce the US content of the site, and as it is we have slightly less US content than the sales figures would justify. So despite the fact that this chart mostly just reinforces other information it has been decided to keep it. That is the way we exploit the "Wisdom of Crowds".
Your query gets into some interesting topics that have caused some discussion in the past. Thanks for the question
8 Apr 2010
Hello! Why do you use are not new, but already outdated charts Last.fm?
The charts from last.fm are fairly difficult to process, so our version is always fairly outdated.
Having said that it might be time to review the charts we have from there. Thanks for the suggestion
28 Mar 2010
This is a very informative and great site. Thank you!
I would like to get lists of the number ones that you have used - please tell me where I can get the list from.
Allan Smith (London)
Thanks for the kind words.
This page has links to most of our source charts, if you follow them you'll find the original data. Those sources will list the data you want, of course you may have to process them in order to extract all the top records.
Alternately you can find some lists of number 1 records on Wikipedia, for example look at the page:
I suspect that will help with your search.
8 Feb 2010
With this site's focus on music lists, you should also check out Dave's Music Database.
Website: DavesMusicDatabase.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Daves-Music-Database/300371661944
Indeed, the site not only provides a good description of the most popular albums but its rankings also appear to be an objective combination of the most important source charts. Well worth checking out.
We have added his top 100 albums and top 100 songs lists as new charts
Thanks for the suggestion
12 Jan 2010
Here's a thought: Would also be interesting if you present charts by decade... I guess.
I'm your fan!
The songs and albums of each decade are already listed. If you go to any year page there is a list of "associated pages" at the top. This provides links to a few years before and after the one you are looking at. In addition there are links to pages that give the top songs (or albums) of each decade (they are listed as 1900s, 1910s, 1920s and so on).
There are a number of sets of pages that are only accessed indirectly, the decades, the "Europe v North America" pages and so on.
11 Jan 2010
Maybe this can help
I always check this for actual and some archive charts in Europe. They also have Mexico but i never checked it. Maybe this is a good tool for 2009 chart and future charts. Give it a try
The web site you suggest links to a number of country's charts, some of which are already used here. Unfortunately the Mexico data you mention only starts in 2007, so it is too recent for this site.
But thanks for the suggestion
2 Jan 2010
In my opinion i would only count Euro Chart and drop all european charts that contributes for euro chart. However i'd keep all results untill the 1st Euro Chart. If so, i also think you would have to increase the importance of the songs featured in euro chart like the US... These ones are surely the most important.
I guess it would be important too if you find any data for South Africa.
If by any chance you would think you could have any help, just let me know... Have a great new year!
Note: May I insist on you publishing the results you have for 2009? Like I said before, it would be very interesting how your chart improves... it would be more "dynamic".You can protect yourselves by puting a note like: "Chart not defenitive. Data still incoming. Return and check our upgrades"
As we have already discussed the European charts were included only after some discussion. The country charts are more extensive so if anything was to be removed it would have to be the less reliable Euro charts rather than the country ones.
Keeping the Euro charts does distort the results, but removing them would also distort them. We suspect that keeping them is the lesser of these two evils.
We, of course, already have one chart from South Africa, any additional data (for example album success in South Africa, charts from Mexico, China, India or Russia) is always welcome.
We will indeed continue to publish the 2009 results as we gather the data, but as we mentioned the volume of source charts won't be enough to give good results for a few years yet. The 2009 page already has a message that explains why its data is not reliable.
24 Dec 2009
Hi again :)
Just a doubt... if you consider "euro chart" you have to consider that it already considers charts from most of european countries. If you prefer country by country in europe you should not include Euro Chart.
Or try to find out which european countries are contributing for "Euro Chart" and stop counting them in your tables.
If not, european results are not very correct... For example, Holland counts in Euro Chart, songs that feature on both gets better performance here because they are in both charts.
I would like to get you more information but i'm not sure so it's not official... (i THINK) UK charts are also included in euro-chart and this chart began in the early 90's (NOT SURE)
Have fun... keep up this great hard work!
Your concern is a completely valid one. We share your doubt that the European Charts are "official" (or at least not systematically biased).
However the European Decade chart starts in 1930, where there are very few other charts. The other European charts start much later of course.
The site follows the ideas in the book "The Wisdom of Crowds", this claims that combining many different, unreliable, sources will lead to result that is more reliable than any of the originals. Provided that there is no systematic bias built into the selection of the sources.
You suggest that adding the European charts gives additional weight to results from the contributing countries. That is clearly correct. When we were considering adding these charts we asked ourselves if this was necessarily a bad thing. After all the very fact that so many charts are available for the countries of Europe does demonstrate that there is an interest in conveying that information.
So, yes, we agree that including the "European" charts does exaggerate an already existing over emphasis on European success, but we felt that this continued to reflect the data that is available and so is, just about, OK.
Of course we are aware that the current data includes slightly too much input from Europe, but this is a balance between getting the ratio's correct and the data that is available. We continue to try and redress this, for example we will be reluctant to add any new European charts, but historic charts from South America or Asia would be added immediately, if only we could find them.
Thanks for the input, this is an interesting subject that continues to provoke discussion
8 Nov 2009
I would like to ask two questions:
1. Do you follow the Latin Grammy and Latin Grammy Hall of Fame lists? 2. Why do you have the Grammy Hall of Fame chart till 2005?
At the moment the "Latin Grammy" and "Latin Grammy Hall of Fame" lists are not included.
We try to focus on charts and lists that are fairly general, for example we would never add a chart of "Seatle based garage hits of the 1990s" because it would overemphasise a tiny segment of the music world. So, we ignore lists like the "Country Music Awards", "Billboard Hip-Hop Awards" and the "Billboard Christian Album Charts".
However, one could argue that "Latin Music" is a broad enough category that including it would not distort the chart, and that by adding the Grammy lists only the absolute top entries would be noted anyway. On balance that sounds like a reasonable suggestion, so we have looked at the source charts.
Unfortunately the "Latin Grammy" awards only started in 2000. So they don't really add much to the information we already have.
The "Latin Grammy Hall of Fame" list looks at recordings that are at least 25 years old, a perfect match to our existing charts. Unfortunately the entries listed at the Grammy web site were all awarded in 2001, it looks like that was the only year that the award was run. However we have added those entries to our listings, thanks for the suggestion.
Your comment about the "Grammy Hall of Fame" only having entries up to 2005 is not quite right, we have some entries up to 2008. However while we were checking we noticed that a number of the entries that are listed on the official site are missing from the Wikipedia page (which was our original source). Our guess is that checking on one of these missing entries led you to the reasonable conclusion that we only had a limited coverage.
We have now identified all the missing entries and added them into our list. Thank you for pointing out this issue with our original source, the careful checking of users like yourself helps ensure that our data remains accurate.
Thank you for your input.
9 Sep 2009
Very nice site!
(Oh and by the way your link to sites selling perscription drugs was automatically removed)